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Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

jackrf1  (View posts) Posted: 26 Jul 2003 1:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Trying to run down these guys in a couple of census' and wondering if anyone can help.
I've found Thacker in 1860 Lavaca County and in 1870 in Goliad, which I assume is the last one he appears in. Haven't been able to locate him in 1840 or 1860 yet.
For Henry Calvin, I believe I see him in Missouri in 1850 in the following listing:
1850 Missouri, Monroe County, Dist. 59 census:

Reese Davis, 53, farmer, 4000, born N. Carolina
Sarah Davis, 37, female, born Ky.
Franklin Davis, 23, male, student, born Mo.
Mary Davis, 18, female, born Mo.
Preston V. Davis, 3, male, born Mo.
George Pearcy, 40, male, farmer, born Ky.
Olivia Vivion, 15, female, born Mo.
Henry C. Vivion, 12, male, born Mo.
Flora A. Vivion, 10, female, born Mo.

I'm assuming, but not sure, that this is him in 1860:

1860 Texas, Goliad County census:

J. Gibson, 60, male, white, farming, born Va.
Ann Gibson, 60, female, white, born Alabama
J.P. Gibson, 24, male, farming, born Mo.
H.C. Vivian, 22, male, white, farming, born Mo.
Mary Vivian, 21, female, white, born Mo.

I don't know who Mary is though. Any help/corrections would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jack

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

Apache Vivian  (View posts) Posted: 27 Jul 2003 11:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Vivion
I'm not sure exactly which Thacker and Henry Calvin you are looking for but, the Henry Calvin I have is the grandson of Thacker and he was born in 1839 so he would not have been 12 in 1850. How are you related to the Vivion family? I have more info if you are following the same line that I have. Davis has never come up as a part of this family line. Do you have the page # from the Goliad county census that you found Thacker in? The 1830 census for Lincoln county Missouri has Thacker Vivion on page#: 11. It is image#: 27 on ancestry.com Of course there are no other family members listed because they only listed head of household back then.

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

Jack Farrah  (View posts) Posted: 28 Jul 2003 12:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Apache
Thanks for your response. The Vivion relationship I have is thru my wife. Her mother was Catherine O'Meara, daughter of Milton O'Meara and Ola Webb O'Meara. Since the O'Meara daughters Annie and Elizabeth married Henry Calvin and William Riley Vivion respectively, I've been trying to research the Vivion family a bit.
I got a response from someone who informed my that the H.C. Vivion I had found with the Davis family is actually Henry Clay Vivion, so that was a false assumption on my part.
The Goliad census for 1870 I found reads as follows:

Whally, Mary, 54, female, white, keeping house, 300,0, born Ky.
Vivian, Thacker, 74, male, white, born Ky.
Craig, Thomas, 28, male, white, stock driver, born Mo.
Craig, Nancy, 22, female, white, keeping house, born Mo.

This is page 34 and also image 34 on Ancestory. The family directly before this is Lloyd's wife Caroline and her children.

Do you know if the H.C. Vivion in the 1860 Goliad census with the Gibson's is Henry Calvin? If it is, do you know who the Mary Vivion is? Could it have been a wife that preceded Annie O'Meara?
Thanks for your help.
Jack

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

ApacheVazquez  (View posts) Posted: 29 Jul 2003 3:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Vivion
Jack,
It is very likley that the H.C. living with the Gibsons is the same one we are looking for. His parents live next door (page 3) and his brother lives on the other side of their parents. I never saw this census before, so it's new to me. Caroline's maiden name was Gibson so maybe this was a cousin he married before he married Annie. Very interesting!!

Go to www. historicdistrict.com There is a ton of info there on the Vivion family, some of which I have contributed. Dimmit and Zavala counties are the ones you need to look at.

One thing that puzzles me on the 1860 census. What in the world is the Do for on the place of birth? I noticed the enumerator wrote this on several entries for different families.

Notice the value of the estate Lloyd had. By the 1880's Caroline had sold it all to live in a jacale. A mud hut on the river in Zavala county, in the middle of wild indians and coyotes. Go figure.

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

ApacheVazquez  (View posts) Posted: 29 Jul 2003 3:07AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Vivion
Jack,
It is very likley that the H.C. living with the Gibsons is the same one we are looking for. His parents live next door (page 3) and his brother lives on the other side of their parents. I never saw this census before, so it's new to me. Caroline's maiden name was Gibson so maybe this was a cousin he married before he married Annie. Very interesting!!

Go to www. historicdistrict.com There is a ton of info there on the Vivion family, some of which I have contributed. Dimmit and Zavala counties are the ones you need to look at.

One thing that puzzles me on the 1860 census. What in the world is the Do for on the place of birth? I noticed the enumerator wrote this on several entries for different families.

Notice the value of the estate Lloyd had. By the 1880's Caroline had sold it all to live in a jacale. A mud hut on the river in Zavala county, in the middle of wild indians and coyotes. Go figure.

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

Jack Farrah  (View posts) Posted: 29 Jul 2003 10:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Apache
Thanks for the reply. Wonder if there's any way to locate a marriage record for H.C. and Mary. If they are husband and wife, I assume they were married in Texas.
The "Do" is a shortened form of the word Ditto, referring to the location directly above it. Why they used that rather than " I don't know, but I've seen it done before. It confused me at first too and I was stumped on what state they could possibly be referring to. I've been to the Dimmit county site but wasn't looking specifically for Vivion material at the time. I'll check it out. Thanks again.
Jack

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

Apache Vivian  (View posts) Posted: 30 Jul 2003 1:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Jack,
I have tried to find records for all the Vivion marriages and when I went to Goliad, I found out the courthouse had burned down at some point and the marriage records were lost. The state didn't require counties to send them all records at that point and so we are left wondering.
The Do threw me but there have been several kind people who have let me know what it is. Thanks.
Let me know if I can help with anything else.

Apache

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

LAURIUM  (View posts) Posted: 26 Sep 2004 4:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
I think H.C. is Henry CalvinVivian born 10 Sept 1839 in Clinton, Henry, MO and died 28 Nov 1927 in Carrizo Springs, TX, he is the son of Lloyd Vivian and Caroline Braton Gibson. I have that he married Annie O'Meara who was born in 30 Oct 1849 in Tipperary, Ireland and died 07 Oct 1921 in Carrizo Springs, TX, they had 11 children but no Marys

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

Jack Farrah  (View posts) Posted: 26 Sep 2004 11:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Joan
Thanks for the reply. You've got the right info. The 1860 census is before Henry Calvin married Annie O'Meara, so I'm trying to figure out if the Mary was a first wife of his. Henry Calvin did have a sister Mary, but she is listed in 1860 with their parents and is younger than the Mary listed with H.C.
Jack

Re: Henry Calvin and Thacker Vivion

Angie Smith  (View posts) Posted: 6 Nov 2004 8:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Vivion Gibson

Jack, I believe the Henry C. Vivion in the 1850 Monroe County, MO census is Henry Clay Vivion - son of Preston Vivion and Sarah Stevens - both of KY. It appears Sarah married Reese Davis after Preston died in 1845, Howard County, MO. I'm tracking the other Henry C. - Henry Calvin Vivion - son of Lloyd and Caroline Braton Gibson.
Also - the 1860 Goliad County Census you reference is "I" Gibson age 60. This is Isaac Gibson - possibly elder brother to my Caroline Braton Gibson so it appears the H. C. is nephew to Isaac. I don't know who the Mary Vivian is.
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