Timm - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Roulff Timm

kodibear52 — 2009-11-19 22:46:29Z

thank you very much, this might help. My grandma was born May 13,1884, given name Marie Timm. As far as I know her father was married twice and Emma was from the first marriage along with my grandma. I have a copy of my grandma's wedding certificate and it gives her mom as Mary Haussen. My grandma married Mike Timm in Stony Plain Alberta Canada Aug. 6,1905.

Re: Emma Timm

kodibear52 — 2009-11-19 22:40:52Z

No, sorry wrong Emma Timm, as far as I know she lived in Schleswig Holstein Germany.

Re: Emma Timm

kodibear52 — 2009-11-19 22:39:28Z

re. Emma Timm, She lived in Schleswig Germany. sorry I couldn't help

Re: Timm Family in Barhead

birgitjenning — 2009-11-04 08:07:56Z

My aunt Johanna - maiden name Balkau, born 1925 - was looking for her aunt for a very long time. This aunt of Balkau family immigrated to Northern America. She was never found. Unfortunately nobody of us knows the name of the woman and the destination.

My ancestors lived in Poland near Pultusk(also called Ostenburg) about 75 km NNE from Warschau in Marianowo, Dozin and Adamowo near the river Narew. The families of Sonnenberg and Timm also lived is this area. I know an daughter of the last teacher of Marianowo Sonnenberg. She lives not far away.

Can you give me some further informations? Please e-mail me! Thanks a lot!!

Timm

JIWelsch — 2009-10-17 11:46:42Z

MUSCATINE, Iowa -- Albert C. Timm, 88, of Muscatine died Thursday, Dec. 27, 2001, at Lutheran Homes.

Services are pending at the Geo. M. Wittich-Lewis Funeral Home.
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ST. JOSEPH, Mich. - Sylvia DeLea Timm, 74, St. Joseph, died Friday, Feb. 28, 2003 at Jordan's Nursing Home in Bridgman.

Services are 2 p.m., Monday at the Kerley & Starks Funeral Home in St. Joseph. The Rev. Carl Pagel will officiate. Burial will be at Greenwood Cemetery in Muscatine, Iowa, 3 p.m., Wednesday.

Visitation is 1-2 p.m., Monday at the funeral home. Memorial may be made to Grace Lutheran Church.

Ms. Timm was born Sept. 27, 1928 in Muscatine, Iowa, the daughter to Harry and Gertrude Kranz Timm.

She was a registered nurse, having worked at the Highland Park, Illinois Hospital and later a private duty nurse.

She was a member of grace Lutheran Church and the musical group, Shoreline Sounds.
She enjoyed growing flowers and singing.

Survivors include two sisters, Mary Beth (Lloyd) Sanborn of St. Joseph and Barbara Conrad of Tipton, Iowa; eight nieces and nephews, and two great nephews.
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DURANT, Iowa -- Edward T. Timm, 63, Durant, died Saturday, Dec. 3, 2005, at University Hospitals and Clinics, Iowa City.

Mary Jo Maass will officiate the services. Musical selections will be provided by organist Kathy Luthye and vocalist Henry Bentley. Casket bearers are Steve Wulf, Don Duncan, Jim Puck, Craig Meincke, Ron Schneckloth and Ray Hennings. Burial will be at the Durant Cemetery, Durant.

Mr. Timm was born Oct. 29, 1942, in Davenport, the son of Hans and Marie Martzahn Timm. He married Deanna K. Stecher on Feb. 24, 1973, in Davenport.

He proudly served his country in the U.S. Army Reserve.

He worked for 37 years at Alcoa, Riverdale, and farmed in Muscatine County for 30 years.

He enjoyed spending time with his children and grandson and visiting with his friends. He enjoyed vacationing in Hawaii and visiting Tom, Bev and Tyler in Florida. He also enjoyed gardening and watching the Papillons play in the yard.

He was a member of Shepherd of the Cross Lutheran Church, Muscatine, Alcoa Retirees Club, Alcoa 25-year Club, Quad City Times Plus 60 Club, Tri-City Kennel Club, Muscatine County Farm Bureau and Iowa Corn and Soybean Association. He was a former member of the Walcott Community Club and the Iowa Pork Producers.

Survivors include his wife; two daughters, Jodi Bailey and husband David of Ankeny and Julie Timm of McKinney, Texas; a son, Jeffrey Timm of Tampa, Fla.; a grandson, Austin Bailey; his mother, Marie Timm of Walcott; a sister, Betty Brus and husband Melvin of Walcott; and a brother, Karl Timm of Walcott.

He was preceded in death by his father.

Re: Looking for Timm family information ( around Springfield MN)

bodojones — 2009-09-06 16:13:55Z

Hi Dennis

I' sorry that it has taken so long to get back to you. I don't have alot but I can give you brothers and sisters do you have that?

Donnetta
bodojones@hotmail.com

Re: Looking for Timm family information ( around Springfield MN)

dntimm1 — 2009-08-23 16:39:43Z

Hi Donnetta,

Thank you for your help, yes it is Henry Martin Timm and Hulga. Anything you may have would be helpful.

Thank You
Dennis

Re: Looking for Timm family information ( around Springfield MN)

bodojones — 2009-08-23 14:22:22Z

Hi Dennis

Is this Henry Martin? Married to Hulga Werner? I don't have much on him but I will share anything I might have to help

Donnetta

Looking for Timm family information ( around Springfield MN)

dntimm1 — 2009-08-23 04:05:52Z

Hello,
I was wondering if anyone had information on Martin Timm and his decendents. His son Henry (d1926) or any of Henry's children. they were William, Elsie, George, Sadie, Harry, Alfred, Slyvia, Lurene, Harold, Amy, Everett, and Mildrerd. They would have been around Springfield MN.

I am now started to hunt down information on these folks and help would be greatly appreciated. I dont have a lot of information yet.

thanks
Dennis

Re: Frederick W. Timm and Frances Timm

MaryPaluso — 2009-07-28 02:04:41Z

Taera,

I do hope that you can send me your physical address. I can send pictures of some Noblets and some Timms to you, along with some information about them, and will get a packet ready to send to you. I lack information about the Noblet family younger that Frances Noblet's generation, so if you have any information to share of the latest generations, I would appreciate it.

Mary

Re: Frederick W. Timm and Frances Timm

taeramckenna — 2009-07-27 20:26:40Z

Hi,
Thanks for replying..I appreciate it. I'm having a problem replying to your e-mail...they want me to create an account with them and need all kinds of info that I have no idea what it is. (pop something..) I am not great with computers. Anyway I'll try to figure it out...and get you my address. Also I have lots of info on the Noblets. I've traced them back as far as 1669. Let me know what I can send to you... Thanks again.......Taera

Re: Frederick W. Timm and Frances Timm

MaryPaluso — 2009-07-23 13:14:40Z

I do not have any information about the Timm family before their immigration to Wisconsin, but I do have quite a bit of data and pictures of family members. Please e-mail your physical address to me at tulsamary@sbcglobal.net and I will send you all the info and copies of the pictures that I have.

Mary

Re: Frederick W. Timm and Frances Timm

taeramckenna — 2009-07-21 03:07:36Z

Hi cousin....
I have gotten a lot more info on the Noblet side but having trouble with the Timm side before 1872, when Great Grampa emegrated. Also cannot get any info on his immediate family. Thanks for replying.... Taera

Re: Frederick W. Timm and Frances Timm

MaryPaluso — 2009-06-21 00:06:56Z

I am related to you. My grandmother was a sister to Frederick Elmer Timm, and the daughter of Frederick Timm and Frances Noblet. And I would be glad to give you any information that I have. You might be able to fill in some blanks for me.

Frederick W. Timm and Frances Timm

taeramckenna — 2009-06-20 23:35:20Z

I am looking for info on Frederick W.Timm born 1865 who emigrated from Germany. He was a railroad engineer in Nebraska in the 1880s. His wife Frances (maiden name unknown)was born 1860 in Wertemburg Germany. I'm not sure when he emigrated. but I know they were married in 1881 in Dodge county Wisconsin. I'm not sure how many kids they had but I think at least 2 one of which was my grandfather Fred Elmer Timm. I think the oter sibling was a sister. Anyway... any info would be greatly appreciated....Thanks

Re: Family Crest for Timm?

DianeBlodgettGold — 2009-04-17 14:33:55Z

Have you tried "googling" the Timm family crest?

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

DianeBlodgettGold — 2009-04-17 14:31:36Z

Did John/Johann's brother, Frederick, come to the US, too?

Thanks for the information from your grandfather. I know my great grandfather, Fred D. (I don't think he was a Frederick and his son (my grandfather) was named Fred William and my uncle was Fred William, Jr.) moved out to Washington, but I hadn't heard anything about his younger brother, Frank, moving out there, too. I know that Eunice was very interested in finding out about Frank, so I will pass this information on to her. Frank must have been the postmaster because Fred D. had an orchard when he lived in Peach, WA and then when he moved to Spokane, he did pruning and other such activities to earn his living.

I wish that I had talked to my grandfather more about his family when he was alive. He died when I was around 8 years old and the only family member I remember him talking about was his mother. He always said that she was a "full blooded Indian"--I think he said either Cherokee or Apache, but knowing "Bobo" (grampa), it was Apache. He had a great interest in anything Native American and my mom told me he had quite a collection of Indian artifacts, but at one point had stored them at his sister Minnie's home and she got tired of storing them and sold them. Bobo was furious! BUT, his mother was not Cherokee or Apache or what we would consider Native American! She came from Mexico. I don't think he was lying to deceive people, I just think he totally romanticized her into being Native American--though she certainly could have been an Aztec, Incan, Mayan--whichever group was from Mexico. Bobo never talked about his dad that I recall and I don't remember my mom ever talking her grandfather. I could kick myself for not asking more questions when everyone was still alive!

Re: Fredrick Timm of Germany

rstimmphd — 2009-04-17 03:35:47Z

Hello Loretta.

I'm afraid I can't help you with this particular Timm. While there are certainly quite a few Timms in WI (I was told by Fred Timm, who published "Timm Times", that Timm Hill is the highest point in that state), the Timms from which I am descended lived in the Buffalo NY area (Blasdell) for the first three generations.

We have a Herman Timm in our family, but he was born in the U.S. around the same time the Herman Timm you are looking for was born in Germany.

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

rstimmphd — 2009-04-17 03:28:56Z

Hmm, no wonder I was confused. As you may be aware, John/Johann had a brother Frederick, who in turn had Frederick Jr., who in turn had Frederick J.

As I mentioned, Joe Timm provided me information about his family tree, which is why I was confused because he's descended from the brother, while you're descended from the eldest son from the first marriage.

My grandfather Franklin E. Timm Sr told me that the two brothers from the first marriage left New York and went west to Washington. IIRC, my grandfather also said that one of them was a postmaster. You know anything about that?

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

loretta6186 — 2009-04-17 00:56:32Z

we are looking for information on my husbands maternal grandmother. Pauline Timm was born in wisconsin in 1910 to Herman Timm and his wife Mary. Herman was born in Germany around 1872. He immigrated around 1880 and was naturalized around 1913. we have gathered this information from census of 1920 and 1930. as far as we know Herman and his family lived in wisconsin in the Green Bay area. Any information on Herman would be appreciated.

Re: Family Crest for Timm?

loretta6186 — 2009-04-17 00:48:31Z

my husbands grandmothers maiden name is Timm. we have been looking for information on the family. Would you please tell us where we could find a picture of the family crest?

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

DianeBlodgettGold — 2009-04-16 23:22:51Z

Hi Russell,

John/Johann, from what Eunice has shared with me, had three wives. The first wife, Anna, came over from Germany with him. They had at least two boys, my Fred D. and Frank. Anna may have had a daughter as well, but I'm not sure. Amongst John's three wives, he had a whole slew of children! I think Anna died when Fred D. and Frank were young and he remarried. Fred and Frank left home when they were able to. I'm not sure if Fred went straight out to Washington or if he stopped anywhere along the way, but I don't think anyone knows where Frank ended up. I know Eunice has tried to find information about him. I don't think Fred D. ever went back to New York, but I believe that Fred D.'s two daughters, Ruth and Minnie, went to New York to visit relatives. I think I saw photos of them with their NY relatives.

You can email me at dianeblodgett@yahoo.com. I can send you some information that I have.

Diane

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

rstimmphd — 2009-04-16 18:14:47Z

Hello Diane, thanks for that information. I haven't communicated with Eunice in several years.

I was looking at my records last night, and if I recall correctly Johann (John) had two sons, Frederick and John. Several years ago I got in tocuh with Joe Timm from Savannah, GA who provided me with Frederick's family tree.

I and Eunice descended from John's line through his third wife, Ernestina Griebenow. It is my understanding that John did not have any children through his first two wives. (You probably now this, but I'm "writing for posterity" as it were). While Eunice is descended from John's son George "Stewart" Timm, I'm a descendant of George's younger brother Carl. Carl had 13 children IIRC, including my grandfather Franklin Edward. Only my pa and the youngest child Dave are alive now, and my pa turns 86 on May 5th. Hopefully, I'll share that longevity (both my grandmothers are also still alive, and my pa's wife Helen (Nansteel) turns 87 on May 27 (my wife's 37th birthday...makes it easy to remember, haha).

When I get a chance, I'll post the tree I have and perhaps you can make any corrections.

Russell S. Timm

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

DianeBlodgettGold — 2009-04-15 19:49:22Z

Hi,

I am also a distant cousin of Eunice and a bit closer cousin of Teresa. Teresa's grandmother and my mother were first cousins. My grandfather was Fred William Timm and my great grandfather was Fred D. Timm. Fred D.'s father was John or Johann Timm who came over from Necheln, Mecklinburg, Germany in the first half of the 1800's. Fred D. was John's oldest son. Fred D. left NY and moved out to Washington State. He settled in Peach, Washington with his wife, Tomasa Uribe Timm. Peach is no longer there--it was flooded when the Grand Coulee Dam was built. The Peach Cemetery is still there, though, and my great grandmother and two daughters are buried there. My great grandmother died in childbirth along with her baby. My great grandfather, Fred D., was left with 4 small children--my grandfather was the oldest and was maybe 6 years old or so.

I've probably given more information than you wanted. Eunice really has a great amount of the family history.

Diane

Re: Family Crest for Timm?

rstimmphd — 2009-04-15 18:50:49Z

Hi there.

There are two crests I have seen. One is for the German Timms and the other for the English Timms. The German one is (supposedly) a dancing black bear facing to the left on a field of yellow.

Re: Fredrick timm of Germany

rstimmphd — 2009-04-15 18:45:53Z

Hello Teresa.

Do you have any more information on your family? I'm one of Eunice175's distant cousins through the same brother.

Re: YES i two am a Timm

rstimmphd — 2009-04-15 18:35:11Z

Hi there.

From what I gathered from a genealogy product I bought several years ago, "Timm" comes from one of two sources: It is derived from "theudemar", an older German word meaning "famous among your people" and/or it is an occupational name, being an abbreviated form of "Zimmerman", which means "carpenter" in German (thus, probably Timm, Timms, Timmer, Timmerman, Zimm, Zimmer, and Zimmerman are somewhat related).

While I can't speak for all Timms, I know in my family's case it's definitely the latter, as my great-grandfather and at least two of his brothers were carpenters.

Form what I've gathered, most of the Timms are from Pommerania (Pommern in German), an area of north-west Germany around Berlin I think (and you'll find many Timms in that area of Germany today). Like many Germans, quite a lot of Timms left Germany in the early and mid 1800's through the port of Hamburg.

Russell S. Timm

Timm's in Ontario

ejhamilton_1 — 2009-04-07 22:43:07Z

I'm looking for my gggrandfather August Timm, born abt1831, Married to Sophia, children Charley,Mary(myggrandmother),William, Henry,Elizabeth,Katherine, Sophia, And Annie. I found some info in Wallace, Parth NOrth, Ontario. canada's 1881 census.

TIMM Walter C 1918-2000 section 104

t42DFWNat — 2009-02-12 22:31:25Z

TIMM Walter C 1918-2000 section 104

I photographed this gravestone in the DFW National Cemetery, Dallas, Dallas Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 201,088 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com .

If you know more about this person please reply here, instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family.

Re: Timm, William, Albert Carl, Henry J

frangisc — 2009-02-03 03:21:15Z

Is the Albert Carl Timm the same man who married Marie Dohne?

Re: timms of ludington mi

NancyKeith99 — 2009-01-26 04:29:01Z

Michelle
Did you ever receive a response to this old query? Please contact me off-list at keithnancy@t-one.net. I am researching these, also.

Nancy

Re: Heinrich TIMM

bodojones — 2008-12-20 13:10:24Z

Hello

Sorry, my Bertha Timm was born Bertha Zuelke and my Timm familys from Gottlib Timm and Matilda Moody. Wish I could have been more help.

Good Luck to you
Donnetta

Re: Heinrich TIMM

alyfran — 2008-12-20 08:23:01Z

Hi. My great grandmother was Hazel Timm, she married Marvin Elser and had four children. Elizabeth Elser was her only daughter and that is my grandmother. I cant find any information on her at all hardly. But I do believe that she had a sister "Bertha"; do you know if this is the same person in your tree?
If so, any information that you could let me know would be so WONDERFUL.
thanks!!!

Re: William or Wilhelm Timm in WI or MN

markust88 — 2008-12-15 02:40:53Z

i may have some information for you...i have a family tree with those same names...i will have to get back to you

Re: Timm family from Wisonsin

eliteimagesphotos — 2008-12-07 17:57:01Z

I find it interesting that your family had lived in Watertown Wisconsin at some point in time. I thought that it might be a correlation to my family as they lived in Watertown still now. However I cannot find any correlation between our families. Timm is my last name, other surnames included on that side included Childs and Kumbier. Let me know if you do have any info.

Timm's in Douglas County Illinois

dtimm2353 — 2008-12-04 02:07:07Z

Any information on Eggert Timm or his offspring. They immigrated with six children to Arcola Illinois in 1866 from Schleswig Germany and settled in Arcola Illinois.

Re: Timm family from Wisonsin

JackiRohan — 2008-11-04 04:54:49Z

We have a family legend that my great-grandfather Gustov Timm emigrated with some of his siblings and never saw them again. They lived in the Watertown area around that same time. Do you have a Gustov, perhaps born around 1860-70? He died sometime around 1910, leaving 8 children and my great-grandmother who remarried before 1920. This is my worst "brick wall".

Re: Timm family from Wisonsin

RedFalcon1151 — 2008-11-04 01:47:34Z

Hello!

My name is Cindy Kaye( Timm )Garcia.
My father was Milton C. Timm,
born 7-20-1914.Woodbine, Kansas.
Died 10-4-1964 in California.
His father was Louis Julius Timm.
Born 5-31-1871
in Woodbine, Kansas.
Died 4-1-1915 Woodbine, Kansas.
His father was Herman Bernhard Timm.
He was born in Kuchenhagen,Pommern, German.
Died 1-9-1915 in Woodbine, Kansas.
His father was Peter Timm. Born 1810
in Germany. Died 1866 in Woodbine, Kansas.
When my 2nd great grandfather came to the
United States, they lived in Watertown,Wisconsin.
I have more infornation on this side of my of
family. I would like to be able to get and to help who
ever is looking for there family.
You can email me at:
jesus_loves_me1151@yahoo.com.

Thank you

Arthur Gustave Timm

lemming2995 — 2008-09-28 01:37:48Z

Searching for info on/descendants of Arthur Gustave Timm, born 1902 in Toledo, Ohio. He lived in or near Chicago and according to family history he drew money for the US Treasury. His parents were Herman and Anna and he had a bachelor brother named Martin.

TIMM from Mecklenburg to Portage County, Wisconsin

FritzKruse — 2008-04-08 18:56:48Z

Hello,

Looking for the town in old Mecklenburg of the TIMM family. They lived in 1870 to 1900 in Grant Twp (Kellner), Portage Co., Wisconsin.

Also looking for their ship. The census has them immigrating in 1854, 1857, 1864, and 1865. If the Hamburg ship is found, this will show the town of the last residence and open up the church book records for the town's parish.

Related surnames may be : SCHULTZ, BRANDT, WITT, GOESSEL.

See this family at:
http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=*v122...

Henry Timm Family in Missouri

jmkroninger — 2008-04-07 02:30:30Z

Hi I am looking for information on Henry Timm that Married Mary Mills and lived in and around Clarks Fork & Lone Elm in Cooper County, Missouri - they had children:
1) Herman J. Timm born 24 Feb 1880 in Lone Elm, Cooper, Mo.
died: 20 Apr 1947 Clarks Fork, Cooper, Missouri
Married: Married Emma Wilheelmina Fricke (date & location unknown - children unknown
2) William Christian Timm born 23 Apr 1881 in Lone Elm,
Cooper, Mo died: 3 Mar 1944 Clarks Fork, Cooper, Missouri
Married: Dora S. (Hoerl?) date unknown - children unknown
3) "Infant" son born and died 16 July 1882
4) Otto J. Timm born Feb 1884 died: unknown married: unknown Children: unknown
5) Lewis Timm born May 1885 died unknown but was living in
Sheridan, Wyoming on 6 April 1942. Married: unknown
Children: unknown
6) Leonard George Timm born 23 Feb 1887 died: 24 Apr 1949
Boonville, Cooper, Mo Married: unknown date unknown
Children: unknown
7) Benjamine F. Timm born 8 dec 1888 Cooper, Mo Death: 23
August 1918 - Married: unknown Children: unknown
8) Harry H Timm born 28 Feb 1890 Bunceton, Cooper, Mo died:
25 Jul 1943 Bunceton, Cooper, Missouri Married: unknown
Children: unknown
9) Louise Catharina born 13 November 1891 Cooper, Mo. died:
21 Jul 1909 Cooper, Missouri - Single
10) Thomas P.A. born 13 Jan 1893 Cooper, Missouri died:
21 Feb 1911 Cooper Co, Missouri. Married: unknown
11) Martin J. born June 1895 Cooper Co, Mo died: unknown
Married: Unknown Children: unknown (living in Springfield, Missouri in 1942)
12) Amelia born 21 November 1899 Cooper, Mo Died 13 Mar 1976
in Kansas City, Platte, Missouri married John Edwards date unknown. Children: unknown
13) Edith born 22 April 1903 Cooper co, Mo died: 11 Mar 1920
Cooper Co, Mo

any information on this family would be great!

Re: Timm from Zachasberg in Michigan City

DANSR — 2007-12-16 01:51:06Z

Standesamt Zachasberg was a civil registration district (Standesamt) located in Kreis Kolmar, province of Posen of the German Empire (1871-1918) and administered the communities.

Re: timm/timmi/thon

loretta6186 — 2007-12-12 01:53:23Z

I have yet to be able to find any more information than what I have listed.

Re: timm/timmi/thon

wildcatsbigblue06 — 2007-12-11 14:05:47Z

Do you know Herman's parents names? Or any other silbings

Re: timm/timmi/thon

loretta6186 — 2007-12-10 02:22:12Z

Hermann Timm came over in 1872 from Prussia/Germany.He became a citizen in 1913. The 1920 fed census shows him living in Brown cty,Wisconsin. His wife is Mary Ohlson, age 40 (her parents Carl Ohlson and Pauline Hansch).Their children, Raymond, age 15, Arthur, age 12, Pauline, age 10. Raymond later ran or worked a Dairy farm in Sheboygan. Any information on this family is very much appreciated.

Re: Timm family from Wisonsin

rkyle989021 — 2007-12-09 07:32:25Z

I have been helping John Timm of Moxee, Washington research this branch of the Timm family. He descends from a brother of Anna Timm Fahrenkrug and we have done extensive researh on this family. They came from Germany to Winnebago County, Wisc about 1880. Please contact me about what you would like to know.

Richard Kyle

Re: Carl Timm, 1820, Prussia

loretta6186 — 2007-11-25 00:20:06Z

I am looking for information on Herman Timm who was born in germany/prussia 1872 married in Wisconsin to Mary Ohlson in 1902. They had two boys Arthur and Raymond, One daughter Pauline. any information on this family would be appreciated.

Re: Carl Timm, 1820, Prussia

loretta6186 — 2007-11-25 00:20:04Z

Re: Carl Timm, 1820, Prussia

jeparady — 2007-11-20 16:36:51Z

Unfortunately, nothing you have said in your message ties in with my records. From what I can determine the surname Theime (Timm) was as commmon in Prussia as Smith and Jones are here.

Re: Timm August & Amelia(Augusta Litke) Settled in Illinios

wildcatsbigblue06 — 2007-11-15 23:29:31Z

so how is Christain related to Johann & what else have you found out about this family? very interested