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carlowen  (View posts) Posted: 24 May 2004 6:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Have been working on my Carroll family tree for some time now, but have come to a road black. Can anyone verify who was the father of Seaborn Carroll1803, Johnston Cty, NC. I have read reports that it is William Carroll and I have also been told that it is John Carroll. Can anyone help????

Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

mv66nc  (View posts) Posted: 1 Jun 2004 7:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Seaborn Carroll is shown on 1850 census of Dale County, Alabama (p. 187, Household 294) age 46 (1804) born in NC, along with wife Chasey age 37 (1813) born in NC, daughter Piety age 18 (1832) born in AL, son William age 14 (1836) born in AL, son Thomas age 12 (1838) born in AL, son Richard age 11 (1839) born in AL, son Seaborn age 9 (1841) born in AL, son Carey age 7 (1843) born in AL, son Marion age 4 (1846) born in AL, and son James age 2 (1848) born in AL. There is a marriage bond for a Ceborn Carroll and Nancy Ellen dated March 15, 1830 in Johnston County, NC, with Carrell Johnson as bondsman. It is possible that this may be a first marriage. Seaborn Carroll was most likely the son of William Carrell (b. about 1765-1770, d. after 1830) of Johnston County, NC and his second wife Piety Fluellin. This is perhaps best illustrated by the fact that Seaborn’s oldest daughter in 1850 was named Piety, and his eldest son was named William. William Carroll and Piety Fluellin were married March 18, 1797 in Johnston County, NC, with Abraham Perry as bondsman. William Carrell’s first wife was Sarah Stevenson/Stephenson (Stevens on marriage bond), daughter of Solomon Stephenson, Jr. and his wife Anna “Nancy” Johnson, whom he married February 8, 1790 with John Carrell as bondsman. Sarah died between 1790 and 1797. William Carrell was the brother of my ancestor James Carrell (b. about 1765, d. May 16, 1834; md. February 1, 1792 (bond January 30), Rhoda Stephenson, b. about 1778, d. after 1859). Rhoda, wife of James, was a sister of Sarah Stephenson, William’s first wife. James and William Carrell lived in the area of Camp Branch in what is now Pleasant Grove Township, Johnston County, NC. The area is in close proximity to McGee’s Crossroads (the intersection of Highways 50 and 210 in western Johnston County). Beginning in the late 1820s, several of the sons of James Carrell began migrating back and forth to Alabama, permanently establishing residence there in the early 1830s. Their cousin Seaborn Carrell apparently also migrated at that time. James Carrell died in 1834, and two years later in 1836, his widow Rhoda left North Carolina and established residence with her children near Ozark in Dale County, Alabama.

To give you an overview of the Carrell family of Johnston County, NC, the earliest definitive ancestor was John Carrell, who established himself on Swift Creek and White Oak Creek in Johnston County (near the Johnston/Wake County line) about 1752. He evidently died sometime in early 1762, and the following year in 1763, Elizabeth Johnson, widow of Sill Johnson, was appointed guardian to the minor heirs of John Carrell. It is believed that Elizabeth Johnson was either the younger sister or elder daughter of John Carrell. The minor children of John Carrell were William, John, Benjamin, Susannah, and Lucy. William was evidently very close to being of age, as he had a land transaction shortly afterwards, thus suggesting that he was probably born about 1742 or so. Evidence also suggests that other children were Britton and James Carrell, who were probably already of age. In 1772, Standley Carrell, a widow, was summoned by the Johnston County Court to bring in her “base born” child. At a later court that same year, Absalom Carrell, who was 10 years old, was presented in court to be bound out. It is believed that Absalom was referred to as “base born” because he was a posthumous child (i.e. born after his father’s death). Standley must have been the wife of John Carrell (d. 1762), as she was termed a “widow” and he is the only Carrell referenced as deceased prior to that time in Johnston County. Absalom Carrell is probably the same individual who married Eleanor Robinson and resided in South Carolina and later Mississippi.

Britton Carrell (b. about 1740-1742) migrated to Warren County, Georgia. He married Winnefred Benton, a widow, in that county on February 6, 1812. He lived to an advanced age and died after 1830.

James Carrell (b. about 1740-1742) settled in adjoining Cumberland (now Harnett) County, NC, where he died in 1778 with Abraham Perry as his administrator.

William Carrell (b. about 1742) resided in Johnston County, but beginning in the 1790s began acquiring land in Columbia County, Georgia. His first wife was Ann, and his second wife was Sarah Penny, widow of Caleb Penny, whom he married on July 29, 1806 with brother John Carrell as bondsman. William died in 1811 having residences both in North Carolina and Georgia, and his will was probated in Johnston County in 1812. William and Ann had two sons named William and James, and they are mentioned in his will. For many years, I and most other researchers believed that these two sons were identical with William Carrell (md. Sarah Stevenson; 2md. Piety Fluellin) and James Carrell (md. Rhoda Stevenson). However, in recent years, the research of both Lesa Pringle of Utah and myself in the records of Columbia County, Georgia has shown that William’s sons were two different men than our ancestors. Both pairs of men were living concurrently in North Carolina and Georgia respectively. Thus, our James and William were NOT the sons of William Carrell (ca. 1742-1811) and wife Ann as previously believed.

John Carrell (b. about 1754) remained in Johnston County, NC. His first wife is unknown, but he married his second wife Aly Ferrell on July 21, 1801 in Johnston County, NC. In 1814, John received land in Tennessee in behalf of the Revolutionary War service of his deceased brother Benjamin Carrell. John Carrell died in 1816. He devised his will in Johnston County, NC in 1814, and it was probated in 1817. I am directly descended from John’s daughter Winnefred Carrell, who married Willie Johnson.

The parentage of James Carrell (md. Rhoda Stevenson) and William Carrell (md. Sarah Stevenson; 2md. Piety Fluellin) is not certain. Tradition among descendants of James Carrell allege that his parents were Duncan McCarroll and Isabella Dallas of Ireland, but this seems to be largely a family myth with little basis in fact. There is no evidence of such a couple in the records of Johnston or Cumberland Counties, nor has any proof of them been found elsewhere. There is little doubt that both James and William were grandsons of John Carrell (d. about 1762) of Johnston County. John Carrell (1754-1816) served as bondsman for both of his nephews - William when he married Sarah Stevenson in 1790, and James when he married Rhoda Stevenson in 1792. When William married Piety Fluellin in 1797, his bondsman was Abraham Perry. Perry, who probably married either Lucy or Susannah Carrell, had served as administrator of James Carrell in Cumberland County in the year 1778. Estate records would suggest that James Carrell (d. 1778) was neither married nor had any children, so it is unlikely that he was the father of James and William. John Carrell and Abraham Perry serving as bondsmen for both of William's marriages bolsters the link between John (d. 1762) and our ancestors James and William. All that can be said with certainty is that James and William Carrell were probably grandsons of the original John Carrell (d. 1762).

In regards to the ancestry of John Carrell (d. 1762) of Johnston County, early in my research I proposed the theory that John was the son of John Carrell (will written 1710, proven 1714) of Isle of Wight County, Virginia and his wife Elizabeth Vasser. Since so many early Johnston County families originated from Isle of Wight County, it seemed logical and in keeping with typical migration patterns. The repetition of similar first names also seemed to make such a connection plausible. Over the years, researchers have taken material that I submitted to the Johnston County Heritage Center in Smithfield, NC on the Carrell family and canonized this connection as fact, when it is merely a theory that I originally proposed. It should be understood that the ancestry of John Carrell (d. 1762) of Johnston County has not been fully established, and that his connection to the Isle of Wight County Carroll family is speculative, not documentarily proven.


Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

shuster99  (View posts) Posted: 9 Jun 2004 4:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Mark,

Is there a connection here to the James Carrol(l) listed on the 1850 census in Johnston County:

James, 50 - shoemaker, born NC
Elizabeth, 45
Piety, 21
Baldy, 18
John 16
Elizabeth, 14
Ruffin, 12
Rueben, 10
Rincey, 8
Hawkins, 6

I've hit a brick wall on this family. I believe this John may be my Great-Great Grandfather who appears with his wife and family on the 1870 Alabama Census in Perry County, living near a Rueben Carroll.

The fact that there is also a Piety in this family is what caught my eye. I don't imagine this was a common name.

Appreciate any info you might have, as I am stumped. I have not been able to locate this family on the 1860 census in Johnston County.

Thank You,
Scott Shuster
Houston, TX

Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

Claren Carrell  (View posts) Posted: 30 Jun 2004 5:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Carrell/Carroll
Mark,
I read your message posted on Ancestry.com on the Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC and was very interested in your comments. If you have time could you tell me what you think about my family and my possible connection with the Carrell/Carroll family that you were talking about. Do you have any Edward Carroll/Carrell born about 1800 in North Carolina in any of your past research?
My information is as follows.
In the 1850 Census Division 1 Taylor Co., KY my family is found:
Edward Carroll (Carrell) age 49 (1800) b. North Carolina,
Nancy age 36 (1813) b. Maryland,
Thos W. age 21 (1828) b. North Carolina,
John B. age 17 (1832) b. North Carolina,
Sarah J. age 16 (1833) b. Kentucky,
Jos E (James Edward) age 4 (1845) b. Kentucky,
D. A. (Daniel R.) age 3 (1848) b. Kentucky,
Wm K. (William H.) age 2 (1849) b. Kentucky,
D. R. age 4.12 (1850) b. Kentucky

In the 1860 Census Taylor Co, KY House 530/523 my family is found again.
Edward Carroll (Carrell) age 60 (1800) b. North Carolina
Nancy age 47 (1813) b. Virginia
Sarah A age 24 (1845) b. Kentucky
James E age 15 (1845) b Kentucky
Delia A age 12 b. (1848) Kentucky
Wm H age 11 b. (1849) Kentucky
D. R. age 10 b. (1850) Kentucky
W. H. age 7 b. (1853) Kentucky
B. F. age 5 b. (1855) Kentucky
R. A. age 2 b. (1858) Kentucky
Edward is listed as a Miller and having real Estate of $200.00.
Also there is a separate line listed after Edward's name (Do Gndr Children). (Value of Real Estate $400.00 and Value of Person Estate $400.00). I’m not sure what it means but I believe it has something to do with an estate given to Edward’s children.

Any way I believe I have a connection with North Carolina through my Edward Carrell and possibly through Johnston Co.
Please tell me what you think.
Thank you very much. Claren Carrell/Buni Pringle-Carrell, Tulsa Oklahoma

Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

mv66nc  (View posts) Posted: 20 Aug 2007 7:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Since posting this information in 2004, several pieces of information have come to light concerning the likely parentage of James Carrell (1765-1834; md. Rhoda Stephenson) and William Carrell (ca. 1765/70-aft.1830; 1md. Sarah Stephenson; 2md. Piety Fluellin) of Johnston County, NC. Dennis Carrell (b. 1766) of Shelby County, AL applied for a Revolutionary War pension (R1724) in October, 1834 indicating that he had been born in Wake County, NC in 1766 (Wake was not formed in 1771, and therefore he must have been referring to the Swift Creek area of western Johnston County where the early Carrell family resided). Dennis Carrell stated that he had resided in Cumberland County (now Harnett) prior to his service in the Revolutionary War. He also stated that following the war he had resided in Johnston County and had subsequently moved to Buncombe County, NC, Claiborne County, TN, and Shelby County, AL. In addition, he stated that he had brothers who had served in the war (a possible reference to James Carrell). Following the Revolutionary War, Dennis resided in the present day area of Pleasant Grove Township, Johnston County, and he witnessed the will of Solomon Stephenson, Sr. (Rhoda and Sarah's grandfather) in 1788. A deed in Buncombe County, NC in 1815 shows that Dennis Carrell sold land to his "step-father" Abraham Perry. This is undoubtedly the same Abraham Perry who had served as administrator of James Carrell in 1778 in Cumberland County, NC, and who had been bondsman for William Carrell when he married his second wife Piety Fluellin in Johnston County in 1797. Since it appears likely that Dennis was a brother to James and William, this suggests that Perry was their step-father as well. It appears that Perry must have married the widow of James Carrell (d. 1778) of Cumberland County, NC. Two possible scenarios exist. James Carrell had been appointed guardian to Lucy Carrell in 1767 in Johnston County, NC. Either James Carrell was the brother or husband of Lucy Carrell (i.e. Carrell married Carrell). Thus, James, Dennis, and William Carrell could have been sons of James Carrell (d. 1778) of Cumberland County, and grandsons of John Carrell (d. 1762) of Johnston County, NC through either their father James or their mother (possibly Lucy Carrell). The foregoing is speculative theory, but is the most likely explanation of their ancestry based on the available documentary evidence.

Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

shuster99  (View posts) Posted: 21 Aug 2007 6:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Carrell/Carroll/Carrol
Thank you for this new information.

Do you have any information that might tie any of these Carrell/Carroll families to the following family found on the 1850 Federal Census?

Johnston County, District 6
Page 37, Dwelling 553, Family 553

James CARROL, Age 50, Shoemaker, Born NC
Elizabeth CARROL, Age 45 (NEE SIKES??)
Piety CARROL, Age 21
Baldy CARROL, Age 18
John CARROL, Age 16
Elizabeth CARROL, Age 14
Ruffin CARROL, Age 12
Rueben CARROL, Age 10
Rincy (?) CARROL, Age 8
Hawkins CARROL, Age 6

I have been unable to locate this family on the 1860 Census, but it my belief that John and Rueben appear near each other in Dallas County, Alabama on the 1870 Census. Both appear to have married daughters of Isaac and Caroline EAVES.

The referenced John CARROL is my Great-Great Grandfather

I have been stuck here for some time. Any and all information is greatly appreciated.


Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

Betty Pace  (View posts) Posted: 21 Aug 2007 8:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pace, Hall, Delk
In 1820 my ALSEY PACE married ZILPHA HALL in Johnston Co. NC. The bondsman was James Carroll.

Do you know of a relationship either to the groom or the bride? I believe that Zilpha HALL may have been the daughter of JAMES HALL (1757-1822)and his wife EDEA/EDY DELK (she is said to be the daughter of Jacob DELK of Johnston Co. NC).

I believe Alsey PACE and James HALL lived in that little square of land near O'Neall twnship or near Mocassin Creek. Alsey PACE was the son of Stephen PACE and an American Indian girl (unknown tribe)

Betty PACE - bapace2@juno.com

Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

louisetomkinson  (View posts) Posted: 26 Aug 2007 2:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Carroll, Sanders
I too have had the same problems locating my Carroll family on the Johnston County, NC census records.

Your family and mine have some of the same names for the children. I have been unable to find my Carroll's on any 1850 census records. They are on the 1860 Johnston County census.

family number 883
Wm. N. Carroll 60
Clara 58
Piety 26
Catherine 17 mg gg grandmother
Chleophus 3
female infant 5 mos.

My gg grandmother was Catherine Carroll. She married David Adams in 1870 and said that her father was James Carroll. She did not give her mother's name. Catherine also had three brothers. Her oldest brother was named William R. (Ross) Carroll who died 16 Jan 1914 at the age of 84.
She had a brother Baldy Carroll who was born about 1833. Her third brother was James Ruffin Carroll. His birth date is shown as 16 Jun 1835 per his family bible.

The child Chleophus on the 1860 census record was the child born out of wedlock to her sister Piety Jane Carroll. He went by the name of Leigh on later census records and retained the Carroll name. His father per the Bastardy Bond was Malachi Wall who lived a few households away from the Carroll family on the 1860 census record. I have been unable to determine who the infant girl was.

Catherine's mother Clara and her brother Baldy are living with her oldest brother W. R. Carroll on the 1880 census. I have not been able to find a marriage bond for Catherine's parents and do not have a clue as to who James and Clara's parents were.

Baldy Carroll is the only Carroll that did not stay in Johnston Co. The obit for W. R. Carroll in 1914 said that his brother was living in Arkansas. I have not been able to find him on census or death records in that state.

I was told by a gentlemen at the Heritage Center in Johnston County that it was possible that Clara Carroll could have been related to the Sanders families in that county. The Baldy name was a Sanders family name. He felt that there was a good chance that my Clara could be related to the Sanders family. I also have seen the name Reuben in this family as early as the 1790's.

I feel that both of our James Carroll families have some of the same ancestors. If only we could find them.





Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

thaliasanders  (View posts) Posted: 12 Sep 2007 3:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: watson
there are some Delks that moved to Roanoke Virginia

Re: Carrell/Carroll family of Johnston County, NC

Hardluck55  (View posts) Posted: 15 Aug 2009 5:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
My name is Shirley Robison i came across your post.I just found out that William and Sarha or my 4th Great's i do not have any information on there family,but 1 son William A. Carroll and wife Clarissa wich would by my 3rd greats and i can keep going down from there
Am useing my cousin's id so
Please e-mail at tx_nanny_1-@yahoo.com
Shirley
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